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the separation of church and state that should be. let me play what ralph reed said on "meet the press" regarding the court and his opposition to same-sex marriage. let's play it. >> i think the issue before the court and the issue before the american people, and they have after all voted in 31 state referenceum. only three have voted the other way. so this tests very differently at the ballot box than a poll. the issue before the country is, do we have a compelling interest in strengthening and supporting the durable enduring and uniquely complimentary and pro creative union of a man and a woman. >> divorce rates -- >> no. the answer -- that would be an argument for why we ought to strengthen it. >> the reason why is because it is better for children and all the social science shows that. >> so liz, you talk about the complexity but here you have a conservative bringing it down to procreation and family. you have folks saying go after divorce. and try to fight, for example, the right to have a divorce as other posed to someone who wants to be married. in many cases they have children that they'v
do you say that? >> you know, i have no issue with ralph reed. i have to tell you i found that is painful. it pained me he was saying those things while sitting next to our cnn colleague, hillary rosen, who is a gay mother devoted to her two children. i don't think any of us can lay judgment on the type of mother little hillary rosen or any the other parents are. we have to understand as society, that sexuality, is not equivalent to morality. and there can be bad parents that are heterosexual. there can be bad parents homosexual. that's not because of sexuality. it is because they are a good parent or bad parent. and i think that it is cruel to tell a child of a loving gay couple that they are less functional and less normal and that their parents less fit to be parents. let's pace it. the cleavers are the minority in the united states right now. there are so many homes of divorced parents, single parents, and gay parents. you know. who are we to stand in judgment on these parents? the only difference, don, between a gay couple and a heterosexual couple is that a gay coupl
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